Dipika
06-13 10:04 AM
did you google it?
i couldn't find any recent successful story from google.
canada landing and returned on AP on FEB 08
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=74167&page=40
My landing experience
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Hi,
About a month back, i had gone to land at Vancouver though my actual destination was elsewhere. I flew into Vancouver and was directed to the immigration formalities area. I had taken the amount required as Cashier's checks.
It went pretty smoothly. The person in charge took the address in Canada where the PR card was to be sent. When landing, watch out the question how long you plan to be there? That was it !!!
While returning, I came back using AP documents. That was also smooth.
Thanks for other people's experiences. It was helpful.
i couldn't find any recent successful story from google.
canada landing and returned on AP on FEB 08
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=74167&page=40
My landing experience
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Patagonia
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Hi,
About a month back, i had gone to land at Vancouver though my actual destination was elsewhere. I flew into Vancouver and was directed to the immigration formalities area. I had taken the amount required as Cashier's checks.
It went pretty smoothly. The person in charge took the address in Canada where the PR card was to be sent. When landing, watch out the question how long you plan to be there? That was it !!!
While returning, I came back using AP documents. That was also smooth.
Thanks for other people's experiences. It was helpful.
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jsb
08-29 10:16 AM
Latest update from USCIS - TSC still at 6/30
Has anybody from those who filed at NSC on July 2 (I-140 at TSC), lately called USCIS? NSC has moved for receipting to 7/27, but TSC is still at 6/30
Has anybody from those who filed at NSC on July 2 (I-140 at TSC), lately called USCIS? NSC has moved for receipting to 7/27, but TSC is still at 6/30
abhisam
02-02 04:18 PM
I think you have made a great decision asdcrajnet. Best wishes for all your future endeavours (note the "u" in the spelling :-))
I will be following you pretty soon. I should be there by December 2011! I would like to provide a small piece of advice to others who are contemplating moving back but haven't made the decision yet.
Before that, a little bit about my story- I came to the US in April 2005 with the intention of living here for five years and then returning back for good. I told my brother about my intentions, which for some reason made him laugh. He said 90% of the people intend to "move back in five years" but never actually do. You have kids here and then they grow up and start going to school. Then you feel your kids will not adjust to schooling in India, and you end up living here. I didn't care so much about his comments until two years later. My brother again asked me - so when are you moving back? I said - in another five years. Holy S***!!! I never realized when my five year plan became a seven year plan!!!
So now coming to my word of advice - set a hard date and work towards that date! Don't just say "in a couple of years"! In December 2006 I set my return date to April 2012 and started working towards it. I started thinking seriously about what I wanted to do in India, what I needed to do here now to improve my chances of succeeding in India, etc. I asked my wife to answer the same questions about her career in India (by the way, it's our joint decision to move back!). I will be starting my own business when I move back. I have already identified partners, made some connections in Mumbai and have started talking to potential customers. I will be making a brief visit to Mumbai later in March, and am planning to move back for good by December 2011.
So if you are serious about moving, set a hard date and work towards it. Otherwise, five year plans become seven, ten, fifteen year plans and you end up living here for good (nothing wrong with that by the way, if that's your intention)!
- abhisam
I will be following you pretty soon. I should be there by December 2011! I would like to provide a small piece of advice to others who are contemplating moving back but haven't made the decision yet.
Before that, a little bit about my story- I came to the US in April 2005 with the intention of living here for five years and then returning back for good. I told my brother about my intentions, which for some reason made him laugh. He said 90% of the people intend to "move back in five years" but never actually do. You have kids here and then they grow up and start going to school. Then you feel your kids will not adjust to schooling in India, and you end up living here. I didn't care so much about his comments until two years later. My brother again asked me - so when are you moving back? I said - in another five years. Holy S***!!! I never realized when my five year plan became a seven year plan!!!
So now coming to my word of advice - set a hard date and work towards that date! Don't just say "in a couple of years"! In December 2006 I set my return date to April 2012 and started working towards it. I started thinking seriously about what I wanted to do in India, what I needed to do here now to improve my chances of succeeding in India, etc. I asked my wife to answer the same questions about her career in India (by the way, it's our joint decision to move back!). I will be starting my own business when I move back. I have already identified partners, made some connections in Mumbai and have started talking to potential customers. I will be making a brief visit to Mumbai later in March, and am planning to move back for good by December 2011.
So if you are serious about moving, set a hard date and work towards it. Otherwise, five year plans become seven, ten, fifteen year plans and you end up living here for good (nothing wrong with that by the way, if that's your intention)!
- abhisam
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simple1
05-01 12:00 PM
gc_on_demand ,
I am not anti at all. I am trying to understand the law.
How does a (I485) spouse doesnt have EAD and AP on hand (even if not using it and in H4/L2 etc)?
Wont they have problem when the dates become current and GC is issued to primary.
I am not anti at all. I am trying to understand the law.
How does a (I485) spouse doesnt have EAD and AP on hand (even if not using it and in H4/L2 etc)?
Wont they have problem when the dates become current and GC is issued to primary.
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man-woman-and-gc
09-16 01:53 AM
Who is the ADMIN here??
You may want to follow up with them via a PM or email. Check the IV core link.
You may want to follow up with them via a PM or email. Check the IV core link.
josecuervo
08-11 10:55 PM
Just got an email that EAD card production ordered
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minimalist
01-31 01:17 PM
nousername,If your would-be employer had sponsored the visa,it got selected and then he has to not hire you on Oct1st because of his business not doing so well, what would you do?
Ideally your employer should rescind your offer and buy you a ticket back home.
But in the IT industry, that is the reason most people still work with desi employer, even thouh they know that they will be taken advantage of.
Is it illegal? Yes. But there is a risk for the people involved.
Also, when someone tries to land H1 for the first time, it is really tough to find an employer who can apply 6 months in advance.Most american companies don't even go through the hassle unless they are hiring for non-IT positions. Then you have companies like Infosys who apply in bunches and keep them ready for the business they are expecting in future. Try and argue with them that they shouldn't do that as many people who have jobs lined up right now will not get H1s.
In my opinion most people who are on H1 n IT with american companies, either got in there via OPT- H1 or H1 transfer.
You gotta do what you gotta do. If you keep thinking about all deserving people,you would never take a step forward. At everypoint in life you will have certain options and every option woul cause some or other discomfort. Unless you are involved in clearcut criminal activity, everything else is fair, in my opinion.
Minimalist.. to begin with, I am not here to judge you or anyone else and I don't think sledge ever had those intentions. Hence, please don't take any of the comments personally.
The original post by nehas was a question to which almost everyone, including sledge responded, trying to help her. The common answer was that she (not he) needs to switch back to H4 as she is already out of status. My orignal post very clearly indecates the reasons why I believe Neha is already out of status. Here is the link http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23395
After I answered Neha's question, which I know is the correct answer, I asked her a simple question i.e. is it ethical to apply for H1 visa when a person does not have a job offer, especially when the entire legal immigrant community knows that for last few years due to the visa cap it is very hard to obtain a new H1 even if you have a valid job offer.
I totally agree with you that no one on the face of this earth is a pure saint but ours (legal immigrants) is a small hardworking community, which most often understand each others pains, and that's the reason this forum exist.
Now, I ask you in the most humble way, what would you have done if your would-be employer had sponsored the visa but due to the lottery your application was never even selected for processing. To top that you learn from all over the world that companies like Wipro, Satyam and desi body shops applied for H1's, which they probably won't even use. Don't get me wrong.. I am a proud Indian and proud what these companies have archived..
Ideally your employer should rescind your offer and buy you a ticket back home.
But in the IT industry, that is the reason most people still work with desi employer, even thouh they know that they will be taken advantage of.
Is it illegal? Yes. But there is a risk for the people involved.
Also, when someone tries to land H1 for the first time, it is really tough to find an employer who can apply 6 months in advance.Most american companies don't even go through the hassle unless they are hiring for non-IT positions. Then you have companies like Infosys who apply in bunches and keep them ready for the business they are expecting in future. Try and argue with them that they shouldn't do that as many people who have jobs lined up right now will not get H1s.
In my opinion most people who are on H1 n IT with american companies, either got in there via OPT- H1 or H1 transfer.
You gotta do what you gotta do. If you keep thinking about all deserving people,you would never take a step forward. At everypoint in life you will have certain options and every option woul cause some or other discomfort. Unless you are involved in clearcut criminal activity, everything else is fair, in my opinion.
Minimalist.. to begin with, I am not here to judge you or anyone else and I don't think sledge ever had those intentions. Hence, please don't take any of the comments personally.
The original post by nehas was a question to which almost everyone, including sledge responded, trying to help her. The common answer was that she (not he) needs to switch back to H4 as she is already out of status. My orignal post very clearly indecates the reasons why I believe Neha is already out of status. Here is the link http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23395
After I answered Neha's question, which I know is the correct answer, I asked her a simple question i.e. is it ethical to apply for H1 visa when a person does not have a job offer, especially when the entire legal immigrant community knows that for last few years due to the visa cap it is very hard to obtain a new H1 even if you have a valid job offer.
I totally agree with you that no one on the face of this earth is a pure saint but ours (legal immigrants) is a small hardworking community, which most often understand each others pains, and that's the reason this forum exist.
Now, I ask you in the most humble way, what would you have done if your would-be employer had sponsored the visa but due to the lottery your application was never even selected for processing. To top that you learn from all over the world that companies like Wipro, Satyam and desi body shops applied for H1's, which they probably won't even use. Don't get me wrong.. I am a proud Indian and proud what these companies have archived..
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140- approved by TSC 6/06
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485 - sent to NSC on 7/03..
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Me too same status...no response yet..
LUD - 7/28/07
485 - sent to NSC on 7/03..
No response yet..
Me too same status...no response yet..
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gkattalu
08-20 12:53 PM
Buddyinsd,
Please hang in there. I am sure you will get yours card soon...
For various reasons, I got my greencard 14 years after entering this country and 14years after getting my Ph.D. Life throws up challenges and we have to face them with courage.
Ha ha Congrats....
Story of my life. I complain about delay with my application. Someone joins me and tells me they are in the same boat and the very next day that someone leaves the boat and jumps into "greener" pastures. Everyone is leaving the boat and I seem to be left out :(
Who else are in my boat? (Application with an officer for over 2 weeks and still status = "Initial Review")
Please hang in there. I am sure you will get yours card soon...
For various reasons, I got my greencard 14 years after entering this country and 14years after getting my Ph.D. Life throws up challenges and we have to face them with courage.
Ha ha Congrats....
Story of my life. I complain about delay with my application. Someone joins me and tells me they are in the same boat and the very next day that someone leaves the boat and jumps into "greener" pastures. Everyone is leaving the boat and I seem to be left out :(
Who else are in my boat? (Application with an officer for over 2 weeks and still status = "Initial Review")
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simple1
05-01 01:32 AM
thanks akred for refering INA. I went through it now
In I485 application "Part 2: App Type" Option b (derivative status for spouses and children)
is actually related to quota listed in INA Sec. 203. [8 U.S.C. 1153] a - 2. (family quota)
and not to INA Sec. 203. [8 U.S.C. 1153] b - * (employment quota).
IV Core. Can something be done to highlight this issue in your conversation with authorities ?
In I485 application "Part 2: App Type" Option b (derivative status for spouses and children)
is actually related to quota listed in INA Sec. 203. [8 U.S.C. 1153] a - 2. (family quota)
and not to INA Sec. 203. [8 U.S.C. 1153] b - * (employment quota).
IV Core. Can something be done to highlight this issue in your conversation with authorities ?
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map_boiler
09-16 10:17 AM
http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5701
GCStatus, I like your enthusiasm, but am a little skeptical regarding whether a class-action lawsuit is really feasible here.
GCStatus, I like your enthusiasm, but am a little skeptical regarding whether a class-action lawsuit is really feasible here.
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06-23 03:04 PM
Predictions of the bill
I think some result will come in the bill sooner or later. if not this year may be next year bill will be passed. Probably most of the immigration provisions will be Amended to get a some releif for everyone. H1 cap may be increased to 115k. No of greencards will not be 650k. may be Double the current number than 650k. There will be strong opposition for big increase of immigration. The reason is lot of americans lost job in IT because of outsourcing and h1s. The impact might be mild as most of them landed in another job as ecomomy slowly improved. If no possiblity of passing the bill it will be killed in 2 or 3 months. On the other hand If delayed for next year the bill will be passed in some form. Bush will try to give relief to illegals before he leaves office.
I think some result will come in the bill sooner or later. if not this year may be next year bill will be passed. Probably most of the immigration provisions will be Amended to get a some releif for everyone. H1 cap may be increased to 115k. No of greencards will not be 650k. may be Double the current number than 650k. There will be strong opposition for big increase of immigration. The reason is lot of americans lost job in IT because of outsourcing and h1s. The impact might be mild as most of them landed in another job as ecomomy slowly improved. If no possiblity of passing the bill it will be killed in 2 or 3 months. On the other hand If delayed for next year the bill will be passed in some form. Bush will try to give relief to illegals before he leaves office.
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11-21 10:31 AM
I am shocked to see this thread. All my prayers are with you and your family. As other members suggested, I strongly recommend you to do PRANAYAMA everyday. If possible try to consult any Yoga Teacher.
W.r.t to your question I recommend to you talk to attorney.
W.r.t to your question I recommend to you talk to attorney.
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12-16 06:56 PM
Guys, any update on your FP notices? I have written to ombudsman almost 3 weeks ago about not receiving FP notices and nothing yet...
What are you guys thinking as next step?
No update from my side. I had called last week and week before that. Apparently I got the same IO the last two times and first time she told me no FP scheduled , security check cleared. Second time she said no FP scheduled and I asked about security check and she said its still pending. Imagine same IO giving inconsistent information regarding my security check. I am not even sure to believe anything they say anymore. I am not even sure if they really look it up or not.
What are you guys thinking as next step?
No update from my side. I had called last week and week before that. Apparently I got the same IO the last two times and first time she told me no FP scheduled , security check cleared. Second time she said no FP scheduled and I asked about security check and she said its still pending. Imagine same IO giving inconsistent information regarding my security check. I am not even sure to believe anything they say anymore. I am not even sure if they really look it up or not.
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mahujam
07-29 12:58 PM
gccovet,
no idea at all.
I got another lud today on 765 with another message in mail
Application Type: I765, APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION
Current Status: Card production ordered.
On July 28, 2008, we ordered production of your new card. Please allow 30 days for your card to be mailed to you.
no idea at all.
I got another lud today on 765 with another message in mail
Application Type: I765, APPLICATION FOR EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION
Current Status: Card production ordered.
On July 28, 2008, we ordered production of your new card. Please allow 30 days for your card to be mailed to you.
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09-15 11:36 AM
GC Status:
I am seeing that reedandbamboo is considering for EB2 only. We have to include EB3 too for law-suit. I beleive that we will have more than 1000 people if we inlcude all categories.
I will give 200$( 100$ for me and 100 $ for my wife)
Ofcourse all categories are included...EB2/EB3, I/C/ROW...anyone who is unhappy with USCIS random processing and retrogression of the dates is welcome to join the fight.
Whoever thinks they are in: please send ur Name, Ph# and email ID to GCSTATUS or me.
We are not collectiong money yet..just a pledge. As soon as we hit the required # of pledges, then we start the money collection. This will ensure that it is not one those efforts that starts, but gets buried due to people not participating. If we do not have enough people interested to fund a lawsuit...we don't move forward....simple !!! The helpless situation we have been put into...has to be backed by numbers.
I am seeing that reedandbamboo is considering for EB2 only. We have to include EB3 too for law-suit. I beleive that we will have more than 1000 people if we inlcude all categories.
I will give 200$( 100$ for me and 100 $ for my wife)
Ofcourse all categories are included...EB2/EB3, I/C/ROW...anyone who is unhappy with USCIS random processing and retrogression of the dates is welcome to join the fight.
Whoever thinks they are in: please send ur Name, Ph# and email ID to GCSTATUS or me.
We are not collectiong money yet..just a pledge. As soon as we hit the required # of pledges, then we start the money collection. This will ensure that it is not one those efforts that starts, but gets buried due to people not participating. If we do not have enough people interested to fund a lawsuit...we don't move forward....simple !!! The helpless situation we have been put into...has to be backed by numbers.
gjoe
10-08 06:46 PM
Though I don't agree with you on all that you said about the goverment and what I know about it, your approach was right in replying. I wish all the senior members had these qualities.
Coming back to horse and donkeys, you didn't read my post properly. The essence of the story was to convey everyone of the members can't do everything you ask them to do. A leader ( if you are in a managment postion making decision you will understand better what I am saying here) should know how to make best out of the group he has.
I would also thank whomever who brought my star color back to green :) after sometime in the red zone.
Again, you have this approach of "This should be done, that should be done" or "What is wrong with this...why not work like this to avoid waste and be more efficient etc etc".
I believe that you work for the Government. But I dont think you have talked to the government ever about fixing any of the issues. Big difference.
All the big brilliant ideas that we come up with, in our heads, are pretty much meaningless to administration and congress and they wont do it unless they have other reasons to do it.
You are like a person saying "What's wrong with doing assignment of visa numbers and then approving based FIFO..bla bla bla". Its like saying "What's wrong with passing electric current thru a tungsten filament in a glass ball of vaccum to create light". That is DIFFERENT from commercial production of electric bulb. That bridge - between and idea and its production - takes a lot of initiative and faces a lot of roadblocks.
I will give you an example, and since you work for Government, I believe you will understand this easily.
I was in a recent meeting with administration officials along with our lobbyist and 4 other IV members. One of the issues, that is purely and administrative issue and doesnt need congressional act is In country visa revalidation. Prior to 2002, St. Louis had an office where you can mail your passport for restamping after H1 extensions and dont have to travel out of country. We asked them why that cant be restarted.(just like your style of why this cant be done and why that cant be done, its so simple and makes so much sense...bla bla bla). You know what their reply was..."We dont have a problem in doing that, and the issue is not security. Its just that if we reject someone, that someone is already in USA and would drag the rejection thru an immigration lawyer, file motions for re-appeal and re-consideration, and take us to court...and we have to fight that and spend money from DHS coffers to do that. If we reject someone's visa stamp in Mumbai consulate, we dont have to worry about it as that someone cannot take us to court and its cheaper for us".
Now, WHO would have thought about that? You see what I am saying. Here we are, speculating that they stopped visa restamping in USA (St. Louis) because of security reasons. And the real reason is - An attempt by DHS to save money on litigation it would face from rejections. Could you have known or imagined that? And who would have found the answer from IV forums. If I had posted that question here on forums, would I ever know that? No. It takes effort just to know the answers to questions. And then it takes some more effort to suggest more solutions and answers to their concerns. And then some more effort to get it done once they agree.
Its very easy to sit in your cubicle and spin brilliant ideas out of your head and say "Why cant that happen?" and "Why cant this be done like that and like that?".
And all your ideas are brilliant and they all have answers too. But sitting on IV forums and posting brilliant ideas isnt worth a bucket of warm spit if you are not willing to go out, travel and talk to people in authority and run your ideas and requests with them.
And yes, talking about donkeys and horses, the problem isnt that I am expecting wrong things from the wrong animals. The problem is that donkeys expect to be treated like horses not because they can run fast like horses but because they think they can run as fast as horses.
Coming back to horse and donkeys, you didn't read my post properly. The essence of the story was to convey everyone of the members can't do everything you ask them to do. A leader ( if you are in a managment postion making decision you will understand better what I am saying here) should know how to make best out of the group he has.
I would also thank whomever who brought my star color back to green :) after sometime in the red zone.
Again, you have this approach of "This should be done, that should be done" or "What is wrong with this...why not work like this to avoid waste and be more efficient etc etc".
I believe that you work for the Government. But I dont think you have talked to the government ever about fixing any of the issues. Big difference.
All the big brilliant ideas that we come up with, in our heads, are pretty much meaningless to administration and congress and they wont do it unless they have other reasons to do it.
You are like a person saying "What's wrong with doing assignment of visa numbers and then approving based FIFO..bla bla bla". Its like saying "What's wrong with passing electric current thru a tungsten filament in a glass ball of vaccum to create light". That is DIFFERENT from commercial production of electric bulb. That bridge - between and idea and its production - takes a lot of initiative and faces a lot of roadblocks.
I will give you an example, and since you work for Government, I believe you will understand this easily.
I was in a recent meeting with administration officials along with our lobbyist and 4 other IV members. One of the issues, that is purely and administrative issue and doesnt need congressional act is In country visa revalidation. Prior to 2002, St. Louis had an office where you can mail your passport for restamping after H1 extensions and dont have to travel out of country. We asked them why that cant be restarted.(just like your style of why this cant be done and why that cant be done, its so simple and makes so much sense...bla bla bla). You know what their reply was..."We dont have a problem in doing that, and the issue is not security. Its just that if we reject someone, that someone is already in USA and would drag the rejection thru an immigration lawyer, file motions for re-appeal and re-consideration, and take us to court...and we have to fight that and spend money from DHS coffers to do that. If we reject someone's visa stamp in Mumbai consulate, we dont have to worry about it as that someone cannot take us to court and its cheaper for us".
Now, WHO would have thought about that? You see what I am saying. Here we are, speculating that they stopped visa restamping in USA (St. Louis) because of security reasons. And the real reason is - An attempt by DHS to save money on litigation it would face from rejections. Could you have known or imagined that? And who would have found the answer from IV forums. If I had posted that question here on forums, would I ever know that? No. It takes effort just to know the answers to questions. And then it takes some more effort to suggest more solutions and answers to their concerns. And then some more effort to get it done once they agree.
Its very easy to sit in your cubicle and spin brilliant ideas out of your head and say "Why cant that happen?" and "Why cant this be done like that and like that?".
And all your ideas are brilliant and they all have answers too. But sitting on IV forums and posting brilliant ideas isnt worth a bucket of warm spit if you are not willing to go out, travel and talk to people in authority and run your ideas and requests with them.
And yes, talking about donkeys and horses, the problem isnt that I am expecting wrong things from the wrong animals. The problem is that donkeys expect to be treated like horses not because they can run fast like horses but because they think they can run as fast as horses.
anilsal
07-20 11:04 PM
Please use this thread to track your TSC EADs (Paper-filed). ****No E-File based filing details here****
* Please do not ask questions about your case.
* Only Paper Based Filings should be tracked on this thread. Please use the other tracker threads.
* Provide details about your filing date, RFEs and approval dates here.
Additionally, do consider the "High Five" Campaign.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...ad.php?t=20183 (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20183)
Other Trackers:
NSC EAD Paper: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20345 (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20344)
NSC EAD E-File: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...ad.php?t=20344 (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20344)
TSC EAD E-File: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20346 (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20347)
NSC AP: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...ad.php?t=20349 (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20349)
TSC AP: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...ad.php?t=20348 (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20348)
* Please do not ask questions about your case.
* Only Paper Based Filings should be tracked on this thread. Please use the other tracker threads.
* Provide details about your filing date, RFEs and approval dates here.
Additionally, do consider the "High Five" Campaign.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...ad.php?t=20183 (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20183)
Other Trackers:
NSC EAD Paper: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20345 (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20344)
NSC EAD E-File: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...ad.php?t=20344 (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20344)
TSC EAD E-File: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20346 (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20347)
NSC AP: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...ad.php?t=20349 (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20349)
TSC AP: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/sh...ad.php?t=20348 (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=20348)
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